Hi, I'm thinking on setting up a PPI program and control as a background project on my site ring. But I'd like to know the legalities of doing this. I mean, there must be something stopping government agencies from shutting down the existing PPI companies.

Any ideas on this?

Thanks

Government agencies dont shut down PPI companies because they are usually located in countries where laws are lenient or non existent.

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But if you take a look at domaintools for each program shown on this site and you'll see most their servers are located on the states and even though the owners are in law-less countries, the servers should have been shutdown in a blink. But they haven't. And no, they are not hosted on a homemade connection of any kind, in fact 2 of them have their IP assigned to somewhere inside The Planet.

Any ideas?

Thanks for your time.

I have been thinking the same thing lately, but I want to know more regarding legal stuff.

If my company advertises 'anti-virus' software, to get sales, what payment methods should be used? I guess paypal won't do :P

Where should I setup my websites, tracking systems and all these stuff (in which country, I will not have much legal problems, russ I guess?)

I am mostly worried about recieving money from an adware/malware scheme and I need to do further research on my countries laws regarding internet crimes.

SiLvER, I've been doing some research on this since I posted and I simply don't understand how they survive. I mean, AdWare is legal in the states, it's just unethical, but if you ever tested a payload from this companies, you'll see they do very nasty stuff that severely crosses the AdWare definition. Nevertheless, some are running on the states...

Now, imagine you have figured out the legal stuff and you programmed a payload that will make the guest os it's personal bitc* and shows the user lots of ads, where you sell them a home-made AV that only removes your payload and cost something like 50usd. Just like you put it, how to collect the money...

I have a few ideas on this, including, for example, getting paid by LR or MB and then you use this money for currency exchange, and you keep doing this till you have done something like MB->PP->LR->MB->PP and then you cash the money. This movements, combined with the fact that you are using a fake id, proxy, tor and you have traveled to another town(^-^) just to make the movements will get you your money. Plus, you might have made some money on the currency trade.

Anyway, just some ideas. BTW, I'd love to hear from someone who actually knows the legal stuff related.

PD: SiLvER, check your PM.

EDIT: It looks like I can't send you a PM. I was gonna tell you to add me to your MSN/AIM so we can share some ideas on this. MSN/AIM: thaorius [at] thaorius {dot} com

I know, I have run codecmoney's payload twice on my personal PC last few days, pretty nasty stuff, but that's how they can pay such high rates per install, mmm, "aggresive marketing" Of course I managed to get rid of it using TrojanRemover but an averager computer user would have started hitting his head with the keyboard

Look, I've actually started doing some research and planning on starting a 'PPI program', I started coding the virus and AV software in VB6 (sucky, just for testing and trying out things, probably a good coder with knowledge of higher level programming languages should be hired to do this)

Regarding the legal stuff again, I reside in Greece, I don't know if there are rules for internetz in here, so far I've been using real names for accounts and internet activity, I need to get myself some secondary paypal accounts with false info. That idea of moving the money around is really smart making it look legit.

But I still have that question, when a victim is promoted to purchase the AV, what are the payment options? PP, a report to them and your account will be shut down...

Thaorius, I will add you so we can chat around this a bit

Interesting subject guys!

I got a few of my own thoughts about this so hit me up on msn and we can discuss

To answer ur question SiLvER, im pretty sure the main method of payment would be CC - although chargebacks are a pain! - but im sure PPI's allow for this.

regards

Russ

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This is getting interesting

I will contact both of you

Great thread. I was thinking the same lately, as I'm doing good ( not great ) currently with PPI, but would like to get it on the higher level.

As Russarch said, most of them use CC to process the payments. Also, I was thinking of setting up an offshore company in a country with no internet laws and get all the money there. However, I'm not sure if the owner would get in trouble in his own country.

Also, there should be some beta testing phase, with different traffic sources. We all know that torrent (warez) traffic quality is poor, so it would be good to test it by yourself first.

So, anyone wants to start his own PPI company ? Not weird at all, but it needs effort and planning in order to suceed

When you say payment by CC, where do the money end up being? In my paypal account? Bank account? I don't know shit about these stuff.

About the traffic, we all know warez/torrent traffic is poor quality and doesn't convert as good as other traffic but it also depends on your "aggresiveness" and how good your -marketing plan- is, you can experiment on this.

I have started working on a new program, if anyone is interested, you can add me on MSN, silver_rz @ hotmail (dot) com