You ever looked at the post Harro made about screensavers. I went ahead and made one but haven't had the time to promote and not enough cash to buy promosoft yet so I only get a few installs daily with no promotion but I manage to get most of my income w/o torrents. I've always been a warez guy and for the life of me I don't know why people download from torrents instead of forums and blogs. I am going to start using torrents more next week when I get Hide Behind IP to capitalize off of these people, though, lol.